``` 00:35:24 Eric Rangell: People can adjust the width of the screen if they switch to Gallery mode when someone is sharing the document 00:36:40 Rachel Weidinger: It looks like live transcript is on too (yay), which can be a helpful additional record. 00:36:57 Pete Kaminski: +1 Rachel 00:38:17 Bill: Be there or be square 00:38:40 Michael Grossman (he/him) Factr.com: Scarcity! There isn’t even an NFT! 00:39:35 Eric Rangell: The photos in your background can be NFTs 00:42:58 Bill: I feel our current culture is terrified of innovation and playfulness. Artists today are also sidelined … 00:44:14 Rachel Weidinger: @Trevor your explaination of why to build a stone temple is also exactly why I'd (cause the effort to be expended) to build a stone temple. Reflecting that I mostly build google doc ‘stone temples’, ha! 00:44:30 Bill: Trevor: this should be expressed as a BIG question 00:48:34 Bill: Are there healthy forms of hierarchy? Is this a BIG question? 00:49:18 Bill: And if there are such forms; what characterizes them that makes them healthy? 00:50:23 Trevor Hilder: https://www.webofwealth.org/2019/11/the-moral-modalities-framework-an-introduction/ 00:59:03 Michael Grossman (he/him) Factr.com: Bill, can we count ontological hierarchy as healthy? Or at least as a PART of a healthy ontology? 00:59:27 Hank Kune: https://groveatlantic.com/book/nein-a-manifesto/ 00:59:39 Jordan Nicholas Sukut: Michael - please say more. 01:00:58 Eric Rangell: Einstein mailed his laundry home - his wife is as much responsible for relativity. 01:02:20 Rachel Weidinger: Archaeology is certainly sexist, as an academic branch 01:02:28 Eric Rangell: I think she also helped with the mathematics 01:03:33 Trevor Hilder: Great birdsong! 01:04:28 Pete Kaminski: "liberation from our childhood religion" 01:04:50 Michael Grossman (he/him) Factr.com: @Jordan, I just meant as a “sort”. Organizationally, groups and subgroups are a hierarchy without necessarily involving dominance. As in the natural world. Animal > vertebrate > mammal > primate > homo sapien is a hierarchy 01:05:35 Pete Kaminski: "graduating from, or liberating ourselves, from elementary school" 01:05:39 Bill: Michael - I agree w/ you. 01:05:55 Pete Kaminski: Geworfenheit (thrownness) 01:06:08 Pete Kaminski: from Heidegger, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrownness 01:06:54 Rachel Weidinger: Thank you for the lovely, thinky conversation. I have to go work at the narrative factory now. 🙏🏻 See you in future weeks/chapters, I hope! 01:07:21 Michael Grossman (he/him) Factr.com: Great to meet you Rachel! 01:08:16 Jordan Nicholas Sukut: Michael - I have been thinking about this quite a bit. We need to discuss it is super important… Please follow that thread in your mind :) 01:09:35 Jordan Nicholas Sukut: Atlas shrugged - what if women “shrugged” 01:10:29 Jordan Nicholas Sukut: Beyond dualism… 01:11:33 Hank Kune: Relevant to women’s work, do see Ursula K. Le Guin”s short essay from 1986: The Carrier Bag Theory of Fiction 01:11:43 Hank Kune: https://otherfutures.nl/uploads/documents/le-guin-the-carrier-bag-theory-of-fiction.pdf 01:11:44 Bill: “Show me ….” 01:13:01 Jordan Nicholas Sukut: The role of play and ritual 01:13:15 Hank Kune: Very relevant to this discussion, to Pete wife’s perspective (and lots of other criticism), and broaden our perspectives on how men think and how women think 01:13:20 Michael Grossman (he/him) Factr.com: Ritual and play as activities without “product” 01:13:36 Eric Rangell: There is a culture that celebrates girls having their first period - I learned about it from Carl Sagan’s book 01:14:15 Michael Grossman (he/him) Factr.com: (More than one, Eric!) 01:14:46 Eric Rangell: Pygmy Girls’ Initiation Song - on the Voyager record 01:15:00 Eric Rangell: Ituri forest in Zaire Africa 01:15:21 Eric Rangell: p. 173 of Murmurs of Earth 01:15:58 Pete Kaminski: BIG QUESTION: How are we going to put ritual and play into our daily activities? 01:16:28 Hank Kune: Graeber/Wengrow [phrased the question this way: “What if you treat people as imaginative, intelligent playful creatures who should be understood as such” 01:16:38 Michael Grossman (he/him) Factr.com: I’m just gonna leave this here…it can take you down a Nina Paley rabbit hole later: https://vimeo.com/253135841 01:16:56 Jordan Nicholas Sukut: What is [Play] and [Ritual] - why is it important? What do we lose if we discard it? 01:17:26 Stacey Druss: Just want to point out how many would initially resist the notion that there was any value in ritual at all 01:18:46 Jordan Nicholas Sukut: Yes Stacey - great point 01:21:40 Eric Rangell: Is there a recording of the discussion about the Meta project? 01:24:52 Stacey Druss: This made me think of the Meta Project We are living in what the Greeks called the καιρóς (Kairos) – the right time – for a “metamorphosis of the gods,” i.e. of the fundamental principles and symbols.’

C. G. Jung, The Undiscovered Self (1958) 01:25:22 Jordan Nicholas Sukut: Yes - quite appropriate isn’t it! It is the time… 01:25:23 Stacey Druss: Meant to fix punctuation before I hit send :) 01:25:27 Bill: My name for today is “woo woo” 01:27:00 Eric Rangell: You need a virtual reality immersive collaborative document system 01:27:24 Eric Rangell: Parallel documents - time indexed to the recording ```